The Plog/Yuki Fansubs

I stopped reading after the quotes because I had a general idea of what you were going to say. HOWEVER, I entirely agree with you. I’m an atheist and for all I care there may be a higher power. But a god that created us all from nothing? Bullshit. I have yet to see “proof” of any kind that we are made by god.

However, the best thing I love about religion? They all have holy scriptures that people claim to be the message of god wirtten by those who “hear” the voice of god. Once again, bullshit. The prophet could’ve been fucking high for all you know or just crazy. Hell, the prophets in ancient Greece got themselves high to tell prophecies.

But, yea. I entirely agree with what you said. (Although, I skimmed through it.)

Bob. The prophets. . Maybe they were high. Perhaps. . Maybe those claiming to hear the voice of God are and were crazy. Perhaps. Perhaps it is all a lie.

Perhaps. Religion is a lie. I do not disagree.

But one faith, that’s what it is- just simple faith, has proved the test of time. That faith is in Jesus Christ, the son of the Living God.

Or maybe. It was made up perhaps. Perhaps that is a lie. But maybe, just maybe, it is not. What if it was truth. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the father but by me.

Maybe Jesus was telling the truth. And if he wasn’t, how can you be sure? It takes faith on both sides. I, being a born-again Christian, if wrong in my faith, will just die and exist no more. If you are wrong in your Athestic faith, will die, and suffer torment and eternal damnation in hell. At least.. Maybe. As long as it’s a risk you’re willing to take.

About the Google image

Nevermind about the Google image. Ha

i’m a christian and i have to say i agree with you. its totally wrong for people to say stuff like that, i too am bothered when other people are not only completely closed-minded but then proceed to mock it. that is not only rude and disrespectful, but ignorant as well. i don’t believe in evolution, but i listened to the arguments and weighed that against the evidence against it, and just don’t believe its true. not to be arrogant by using myself as an example, but you get the point i’m trying to make. this kind of thing irritates me, it totally goes against what the bible says anyway. christians should be loving other people, not denouncing them blindly. what its ok when we do it but not when other people do it to us? that’s so hypocritical. and the worship satan comment? that’s satanism, not atheism. -_- very different.
personally i have no problem with the logo, its just a skeleton. its not forcing you to believe in evolution or anything.

Erica – Although I do not fully understand why you don’t believe in evolution, I do respect your beliefs only because you understand why it is wrong to say anyone who’s beliefs differ from yours “Worships Satan.” I do not respect the beliefs of those who would say such a thing, even though they may be identical to yours. It is somewhat comforting to know there is at least one religious person who can look at that logo for what it really is:

A GODDAM SKELETON!

Nothing more, nothing less, and the sooner you(religious fanatics who insulted google b/c of their logo) realize that, the sooner you can shut the hell up.

It is not so alarming that so many people can believe in something intangible. The world is full of many unique people. What is alarming is how uncivil it can make them. For a first post, I applaud you good sir. Well said.

And as a side note, a great person once said, “Imagine there’s no heaven”

Bob – as an aside, if there WAS proof that God made ppl from nothing, then wouldn’t that in turn prove God’s existence and then in turn prove that every other religion is false? That’s why it is called faith. There is no proof. there is also no disproof because of a bunch of thinking games and circular arguments (ex: the world was created 6000ish yrs ago vs 14 billion (?, sorry, I don’t feel like looking this up) yrs ago. one could simply say that God created the world, for some odd reason, to be 14 billion-6000ish yrs old. you get the idea. lets not bother with this stuff)

I also, as everyone should, acknowledge that the series of fossils exist and do indeed logically attest to the fact that modern man is part of a series of evolutionary steps. this is based on the fact that other animals follow similar patterns (i.e. we have series of skeletons of species that have evolved from one to another) However, as Jeff states, this is not a confirmation. it is simply tangible proof; something not offered by religion.

Believe what you want; but don’t be ignorant. As a Christian (who is totally not offended at all by the fossil and is more offended that there are others who think the fossil is fake-or whatever foolishness they believe), I’m totally fine with there being a set of fossils that supports Darwin’s ideas of macroevolution (well, not totally Darwin’s, but for some reason we all attribute evolution to him, lol). I feel that other Christians shouldn’t act so foolish, and instead educate themselves and realize that these fossils are merely a set of fossils; they don’t guarantee anything.

lastly, when did this blog turn non-haruhi oriented? though this is an interesting post…

one more thing.

@spaghetti: there are way more than just one person who can say that it is just a skeleton. unfortunately, on the internet, people with radical opinions express there beliefs more than the calm and moderate people like me. I hope you don’t think that the sort of thinking described here (the radical creationist view)is the norm (unless it actually is; I don’t know any Christians like that though)

I’m pretty sure no scientists (except the insane ones who are conducting illegal experiments) worship the devil. Some people love to make unfounded accusations for no good reason, and they in turn cause everyone associated with them to appear to be the same as them…

tl;dr Complete and intact fossil skeleton of ancient mammal discovered, newspapers massively overhype it as ZOMG MISSING LINK!!1!, everyone gets their panties in a bunch. In other news, water is wet.

2 things:
1) People who openly make religious rage fail at life.
2) New season of Haruhi! (can I get a booyah?)

@Timothy

Christianity hasn’t lasted as long as it has because of faith alone… you can thank the roman catholic organization for being the strongest power left behind after the fall of Rome to the Visigoths. After that, it was the same way a dictator keeps a hold on people, by giving them no other choice… which is partly why any scientific discovery to ever disprove church teachings would instantly see the scientist dead/jailed/exiled.

and in response to the “risk” of believing or not believing, that is not a valid argument for god, that’s what you call scare-tactics. It can also be applied to any kind of absurd statement. For example: I will assert that you will suffer for eternity at the hands of ant-god (the one and only true god) if you refuse to worship ants or if you ever kill an ant without truly repenting over your actions. Given what you said earlier, would it not be safer to simply worship ants until the day you die? If you truly believe in the risk-argument you gave earlier, you will find no problem in worshiping ants especially if I tell you that the ant-god has been worshiped by ants since before humans were worshiping anything.

As I’m sure you hold real faith in your god, something that I can respect even if I don’t hold the same faith, you will probably not be worshiping ants. My point being: don’t try to coerce people into believing something by threatening them with eternal damnation because there are plenty of equally valid religions that say the same thing… (e.g. you are most definitely going to muslim hell for not believing in allah)

I’ll preface this wit the fact that I am a Christian. But I just hope that people don’t form there opinions of Christians in general from stuff like this. It’s really pretty sad. I understand were everyone here is coming from, and it is this kind of closed mindedness that causes problems in the first place. Not all Christian’s are like this, so please try not to stereotype us.

@Timothy: That’s what I’m wondering. If I’m an atheist and god really does exists and I have done nothing wrong because the morals of society is based on the laws of god, why am I damned to purgatory? That’s simply one thing I do not get. Why does god want our belief in him when he’s all powerful? I don’t think he needs our “faith”. Why is your god so intolerant to other beliefs? How is it heresy to believe in something else? I have a crap load of questions I want to ask. In the end, if I do die and if there is nothing to be found. Fine. If I die and reach heaven’s doors for judgement, I’ll simply shrug it off. I’ll apologize gracefully for not believing. But, whether or not I get sent to hell or reach salvation? I do not care. It’s a risk I’m willing to take to stand by my viewpoints.

Oh, and for all I know, I could be reincarnated, become a ghost, etc. Instead of going to hell or heaven or I cease to exist. Honestly, I don’t give a damn, I’m not dead yet. Oh god, I hope Murphy’s Law doesn’t kick in right now.

@Jeff: Sorry about that. Bad habit of mine. Since, the original intent was to show how certain people reacted to this I kind of went off on a tangent based on the reason why they criticized it. =\

Wait, there are still religious people in this day and age?

Who knew?

wow, those fossil-haters should learn more about their religion. lol, christianity does not exclude evolution. the bible just gave a simple explanation for a hard-to-grasp-concept-at-the-time.

You’re right to be mad about this, but seriously, why should we give damn little attention to those reasonless people ? And, seriously, being mad about a picture showing a Darwinism idea is totally stupid and meaningless, when you’re using a machine that’s working with electronics and quantum… They’re just clueless, so let them be blind.

However, you sound like you too are seeing things only black or only white : they’re isn’t one truth, there’s a lot of theories, and we have to assume they all can exist and co-exist. Darwin never said God didn’t exist, he talked about species creation by evolution. Is there a God behind that ? Maybe yes, maybe no.

Seriously, I think quantum physics is a far more controversial issue than Darwinism…

I guess it doesn’t really bother me. People have a right to their own beliefs, and usually, those beliefs aren’t going to make sense to opposing groups. Denial of evolution and quantum physics might seem ludicrous to me, but I’m willing to let them have their beliefs–what harm is it to me?

I will accept other people’s beliefs that I might be allowed my own.

@Timothy
timothy, ones fate does not warrant the right to insult, attack, or demean another for there own thoughts or views.
(and i gotta say to your burning in hell comment, i think id prefer burning in hell then following such a hypocritical and biased god(always listening to how these tiny insignificant ppl get even more insignificant problems solved, claiming it was an act of god while ppl suffering even worse continue to suffer till they die, i hated church so much(you can make the claim that those are simply ppl talking bull but there word is more valid then the word of someone who could or couldn’t have existed 2000+ years ago, as well it would be no different then picking and choosing what you want to believe, which would, in this case validate a right to choose to ignore your response to the comment, viewing you no different), to bad i lean in favor of reincarnation, note im not religious, just open minded)
and how can you claim it withstood the passage of time when its been change and altered(and branched off) during every societal reformation(example: Catholics don’t burn whiches anymore(or i should say ppl who defied them(scapegoats for things the church couldn’t solve)))

@alyu
there has never been an existence from nothing, humans even validate their existence through god, an intangible entity that we have yet too meet.
one could say that god did that, but being in a religious position you should have been taught not to ask questions, even as an outsider i can tell, that questioning the views leads to disorganization, and construction of new religions(take all the sub religions of Christianity, they couldn’t accept what they were taught so they altered it to abide by there desires) in the end as a religious person taught that you should unquestionably repeat the same thing even if it sounds stupid, the same way your taught to have faith in god even if it seems as though he doesn’t exist

and educating yourself about evolution is “like” a direct violation of Christianity since it allows doubt, that’s why so many ppl are so high strong about it

@Yoshio
your making a mistake, not all ppl jumped on it cause they were afraid of the ppl who ranted it, but because they needed a meaning to there meaningless lives, humans need… a reason! that’s it, humans need a reason for existing, to believe were not simply here to f**k then die, we want to believe that someone went out of there way to create each and everyone of us with a purpose only “we” can do… a lot of ppl (i can only say i met, but a lot still) have weak will power, and desires to live, so they turn to religion to give themselves a significance
and religion with there “all powerfull” and “all knowing” god gives them that, the, “if such a magnificent being such as that made me, different from everyone else even, i must be important to him/her(hardly though)”
(for other readers) though i said a lot of ppl i’ve met, don’t quote and attempt to use this as a claim that i’m saying everyone who’s religious is, cause for religious practice varies, i don’t claim to know them all, simply this reason
a quick example: those who reform after, throwing away there lives(sex, drugs, worst), to religion

ill stop here, i was originally wowed by the fantastic rant by the op but i saw some comments, by some die hard(in my opinion) religious fanatics who’d might respond with something other than “fate in god will give you your answer” crap,

it’s not that i am not religious (or hate religion, just dislike a few), its that i am simply searching and learning, i have no expectations, such as “some day ill find my faith” i fully intend to go threw the rest of my life searching, (one of my main reason is to prevent my biased opinions from becoming too, much, even better if i could get rid of them) “i have no such thing as a, solid unchanging belief, but i wont let go of the belief’s i have now without a good reason”

those i replied too, i do not intend to cause argument(debate…. probably) it is how i stated b4, i figured i could get some answers outta ya, since ya don’t seem like the religious clones i had ta deal with as a kid (my entire family is religious btw so its pretty torture like being told i’m gonna go to hell, blah blah by my grandma)

and id like to apologies for going off the topic of the op so many times, ill respond by offering this up related to the op’s rant,
religion creates, morals that are fantastic, the way i see it, without, the world would be a horrible place, more so then it is now, and id have been someone id hate. but with morals it also creates a sense of statue, a sense of superiority to those who don’t believe, and at time even leads them to believe they have to teach the “poor loss lambs that wonder in ignorance”. that “better then everyone else” is what leads them to be able to talk in such a high and mighty form believing they carry the message of god. and in this case, what is presented b4 them is something that contradicts what they dedicated there lives too, as well as there position above others, and without valid or constructed means of responding they can only insult others beliefs, tricking themselves more and more of how the world is, they’ll purposely blind themselves to keep there position

in the end no one(human) can coax them outta there shell(a combination of superiority complexes, sense of impending loss, and inability of self thought, or maybe i should say brainwashed to the point they don’t even know how to think beyond what there told(“blind fate”)), all you can really do is ignore them, as for me i go by the standard (when dealing with others) “if they have no words of there own there not worth listening too” (too long >_>)